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A billion years of evolution in a single afternoon — George Church

A billion years of evolution in a single afternoon — George Church

Jun 26, 2025

George Church is the godfather of modern synthetic biology and has been involved with basically every major biotech breakthrough in the last few decades. Professor Church thinks that these improvement...

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Why China's manufacturing economy is dominating — Arthur Kroeber

Why China's manufacturing economy is dominating — Arthur Kroeber

Jun 19, 2025

Arthur Kroeber is a leading researcher on Chinese tech and macro, a founding partner at Gavekal Dragonomics, and author of "China's Economy: What Everyone Needs to Know." It's the most useful, detaile...

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"China is digging out of a crisis. And America’s luck is wearing thin." — Ken Rogoff

"China is digging out of a crisis. And America’s luck is wearing thin." — Ken Rogoff

Jun 12, 2025

Ken Rogoff is the former chief economist of the IMF, a professor of Economics at Harvard, and author of the newly released Our Dollar, Your Problem and This Time is Different. On this episode, Ken pre...

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Xi Jinping’s paranoid approach to AGI, debt crisis, & Politburo politics — Victor Shih

Xi Jinping’s paranoid approach to AGI, debt crisis, & Politburo politics — Victor Shih

May 29, 2025

On this episode, I chat with Victor Shih about all things China. We discuss China’s massive local debt crisis, the CCP’s views on AI, what happens after Xi, and more. Victor Shih is an expert on the C...

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Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

May 22, 2025

New episode with my good friends Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken. Sholto focuses on scaling RL and Trenton researches mechanistic interpretability, both at Anthropic. We talk through what’s changed i...

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What will automated firms look like?

What will automated firms look like?

May 01, 2025

Based on my essay about AI firms. Huge thanks to Petr and his team for bringing this to life! Watch on YouTube. Thanks to Google for sponsoring. We used their Veo 2 model to make this entire video—it ...

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Mark Zuckerberg — AI will write most Meta code in 18 months

Mark Zuckerberg — AI will write most Meta code in 18 months

Apr 29, 2025

Zuck on: * Llama 4, benchmark gaming * Intelligence explosion, business models for AGI * DeepSeek/China, export controls, & Trump * Orion glasses, AI relationships, and preventing reward-hacking from ...

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Why Rome actually fell: plagues, slavery, & ice age — Kyle Harper

Why Rome actually fell: plagues, slavery, & ice age — Kyle Harper

Apr 24, 2025

800 years before the Black Death, the very same bacteria ravaged Rome, killing 60%+ of the population in many areas. Also, back-to-back volcanic eruptions caused a mini Ice Age, leaving Rome devastate...

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AGI is still 30 years away — Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

AGI is still 30 years away — Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Apr 17, 2025

Ege Erdil and Tamay Besiroglu have 2045+ timelines, think the whole "alignment" framing is wrong, don't think an intelligence explosion is plausible, but are convinced we'll see explosive economic gro...

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AI 2027: month-by-month model of intelligence explosion — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

AI 2027: month-by-month model of intelligence explosion — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Apr 03, 2025

Scott and Daniel break down every month from now until the 2027 intelligence explosion. Scott Alexander is author of the highly influential blogs Slate Star Codex and Astral Codex Ten. Daniel Kokotajl...

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