The Ringer
24 May 2026
Zach is joined by Michael Pina to react to the Knicks pushing the Cavaliers to the brink. They discuss what has made the Knicks so good, look back at how this team was assembled, and break down what’s gone wrong for Cleveland. Then, they reveal what they’ll be watching for in Game 4 between the Thunder and Spurs. (0:00) Welcome to The Zach Lowe Show! (2:19) Michael Pina joins the show! (5:56) The Knicks could win the title even against the Thunder (10:42) The Knicks built a better team around their small guard than the Cavs (19:11) Let’s take a deeper look at how this Knicks team was built (25:12) This may have been Harden’s worst defensive performance (26:32) Does Cleveland have any chance to come back? (29:33) What to watch for in Thunder-Spurs Game 4. Host: Zach Lowe Guest: Michael Pina Producers: Mike Wargon, Jonathan Frias, and Billy Gil Social: Keith Fujimoto and Michael Szokoli The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit https://fanduel.com/playwithaplan to learn more about the resources and helplines Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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