John Coogan & Jordi Hays
01 May 2026
This is our full conversation with Mike Isaac, recorded live on TBPN. We discuss what it’s actually like inside the OpenAI vs. Elon Musk courtroom, from early morning lines and limited seating to the unexpected mix of superfans, reporters, and curious spectators, how Elon’s legal strategy blends big-picture “save humanity” messaging with more tactical arguments around control and competition, and why the case often feels less like a traditional trial and more like theater, where personality, narrative, and jury perception may matter just as much as the underlying facts. Sign up for TBPN’s daily newsletter at TBPN.com Follow TBPN:https://TBPN.comhttps://x.com/tbpnhttps://open.spotify.com/show/2L6WMqY3GUPCGBD0dX6p00?si=674252d53acf4231https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/technology-brothers/id1772360235https://www.youtube.com/@TBPNLive
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