373: Re-air 309: Pathological Demand Avoidance with Diane Gould (Professionals Series)

Rachel Kapp and Stephanie Pitts- Educational Therapists

12 August 2025

In this re-air episode, Rachel Kapp, M.Ed., BCET, and Stephanie Pitts, M.Ed., BCET, sit down with Diane Gould to explore Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA). Diane shares how she became interested in PDA, her role in raising awareness in the United States, and why traditional behavioral strategies often fall short for individuals with PDA. She explains the “can’t, not won’t” perspective, offering practical ways to provide support—such as building trust, prioritizing connection, fostering collaboration, and sharing demands. This conversation offers valuable insights for anyone seeking to better understand and work alongside individuals with PDA. Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/learnsmarterpodcast How to connect with us: Join our e-mail list Rachel’s Kapp Educational Therapy Group website Steph’s My Ed Therapist website  @learnsmarterpodcast, @kappedtherapy, @myedtherapist